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		<title>By: Pragmatic Web Project Planning Part 1 of 3 &#124; Website and Web Project Management tips &#124; Web Project Management Junkie &#124; thesambarnes</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-2481</link>
		<dc:creator>Pragmatic Web Project Planning Part 1 of 3 &#124; Website and Web Project Management tips &#124; Web Project Management Junkie &#124; thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] types of people that plan/manage web projects and the advantages and disadvantages of both, and in Part 3 I will go into more detail about the techniques and tools I use when planning web projects&#8230; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] types of people that plan/manage web projects and the advantages and disadvantages of both, and in Part 3 I will go into more detail about the techniques and tools I use when planning web projects&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pragmatic Web Project Planning Part 2 of 3 &#124; Website and Web Project Management advice &#124; Web Project Management Junkie &#124; thesambarnes</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-2480</link>
		<dc:creator>Pragmatic Web Project Planning Part 2 of 3 &#124; Website and Web Project Management advice &#124; Web Project Management Junkie &#124; thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Pragmatic Web Project planning: Part 3 &#187; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pragmatic Web Project planning: Part 3 &raquo; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Web Project Management - Weekly Status Reports &#124; bekinin.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-2346</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Project Management - Weekly Status Reports &#124; bekinin.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 08:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] why. But all too often I see one or two project schedules created (as I described in Part 3 of my Pragmatic Web Project Planning series), in the proposal and for the kick-off meeting, and that’s it for a while – this is a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] why. But all too often I see one or two project schedules created (as I described in Part 3 of my Pragmatic Web Project Planning series), in the proposal and for the kick-off meeting, and that’s it for a while – this is a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei Potorac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrei Potorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, that&#039;s right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, that&#8217;s right.</p>
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		<title>By: thesambarnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Andrei, you mean you want something where you can trace project tasks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrei, you mean you want something where you can trace project tasks?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei Potorac</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei Potorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would prefer web based. We already use Basecamp, but it&#039;s not quite for keeping an eye on who does what.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would prefer web based. We already use Basecamp, but it&#8217;s not quite for keeping an eye on who does what.</p>
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		<title>By: thesambarnes</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-1714</link>
		<dc:creator>thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Andrei, you&#039;re very welcome, I&#039;m glad you found and liked this article.

As far as other tools goes it depends on what you need to be honest. Does it have to be PC and Mac, or just one? Can it be free or do you have a budget? Does it have to be web-based or could it be standalone?

There&#039;s so many to choose from e.g. Merlin or OmniPlan for OSX, web-based solutions like Gantter, Ganttic and Tom&#039;s Planner, or a more flexible comprehensive tool like Liquid Planner.

Or if you need collaboration over schedules, then Basecamp or ActiveCollab are popular choices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrei, you&#8217;re very welcome, I&#8217;m glad you found and liked this article.</p>
<p>As far as other tools goes it depends on what you need to be honest. Does it have to be PC and Mac, or just one? Can it be free or do you have a budget? Does it have to be web-based or could it be standalone?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s so many to choose from e.g. Merlin or OmniPlan for OSX, web-based solutions like Gantter, Ganttic and Tom&#8217;s Planner, or a more flexible comprehensive tool like Liquid Planner.</p>
<p>Or if you need collaboration over schedules, then Basecamp or ActiveCollab are popular choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei Potorac</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-1712</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei Potorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam, I have to thank you for the article. One of the guys in our team sent it to me as a hint to getting this part done better, before I hand over the projects to them.

After going through it all, I see that I was both a fire fighter and at times, for larger projects, the forest ranger.

I was wondering if you know more tools for PM for online projects especially. I can&#039;t believe the two samples (Planner and OpenProj) are the only ones. They both look terrible to use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I have to thank you for the article. One of the guys in our team sent it to me as a hint to getting this part done better, before I hand over the projects to them.</p>
<p>After going through it all, I see that I was both a fire fighter and at times, for larger projects, the forest ranger.</p>
<p>I was wondering if you know more tools for PM for online projects especially. I can&#8217;t believe the two samples (Planner and OpenProj) are the only ones. They both look terrible to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Project Management Weekly Status Reports&#124; Web Project Management reporting &#124; Web Project Manager &#124; thesambarnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Project Management Weekly Status Reports&#124; Web Project Management reporting &#124; Web Project Manager &#124; thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 11:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] why. But all too often I see one or two project schedules created (as I described in Part 3 of my Pragmatic Web Project Planning series), in the proposal and for the kick-off meeting, and that&#8217;s it for a while &#8211; this is a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] why. But all too often I see one or two project schedules created (as I described in Part 3 of my Pragmatic Web Project Planning series), in the proposal and for the kick-off meeting, and that&#8217;s it for a while &#8211; this is a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thesambarnes</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-1348</link>
		<dc:creator>thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 15:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Karin, awww thanks, I throw it in just because it&#039;s the kind of article I find easier to read too so glad to hear it works for some :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karin, awww thanks, I throw it in just because it&#8217;s the kind of article I find easier to read too so glad to hear it works for some :)</p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 09:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Sam,

Thanks for the great articles, it made the reading so much more interesting with a bit of your humour thrown in there! These articles have definitely been of help to me as software project management and just project management i have found to be rather different from each other, paying more sensitivity to the software part of it. :)

I look forward to more artciles!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sam,</p>
<p>Thanks for the great articles, it made the reading so much more interesting with a bit of your humour thrown in there! These articles have definitely been of help to me as software project management and just project management i have found to be rather different from each other, paying more sensitivity to the software part of it. :)</p>
<p>I look forward to more artciles!</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Sam

I just re-read my post there and what I should have said is that I head up a small team &#039;of web designers&#039; in a non web agency. Which is why your blog is relevant to me!!

Yeah running multiple projects is painful at first but you soon adapt to find what works and what doesn&#039;t.

Last I checked I had 8 open web projects (one of which is a huge e-commerce solution).

Keep up the excellent work!! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam</p>
<p>I just re-read my post there and what I should have said is that I head up a small team &#8216;of web designers&#8217; in a non web agency. Which is why your blog is relevant to me!!</p>
<p>Yeah running multiple projects is painful at first but you soon adapt to find what works and what doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Last I checked I had 8 open web projects (one of which is a huge e-commerce solution).</p>
<p>Keep up the excellent work!! :)</p>
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		<title>By: thesambarnes</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-959</link>
		<dc:creator>thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Gareth, glad you found the blog :)

Running multiple projects is something that hurts when you start but over time you learn to deal with, I&#039;m considering an article on the subject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gareth, glad you found the blog :)</p>
<p>Running multiple projects is something that hurts when you start but over time you learn to deal with, I&#8217;m considering an article on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 08:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sam,

I appreciate that this is an article from last year but I&#039;ve only just discovered your excellent blog AND have just finished reading this series of articles and wanted to chime in!

When I look back to how I started handling web project years ago and compare this to now the differences are huge and my processes continue to evolve and adapt. I head up a small team in a non-web agency that mostly develops FMCG and financial software.

It&#039;s interesting that Hussain mentions running multiple projects as this is something that I am still trying to &#039;master&#039;! 

Right now I&#039;m off to read some more current articles.

Keep up the excellent work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam,</p>
<p>I appreciate that this is an article from last year but I&#8217;ve only just discovered your excellent blog AND have just finished reading this series of articles and wanted to chime in!</p>
<p>When I look back to how I started handling web project years ago and compare this to now the differences are huge and my processes continue to evolve and adapt. I head up a small team in a non-web agency that mostly develops FMCG and financial software.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that Hussain mentions running multiple projects as this is something that I am still trying to &#8216;master&#8217;! </p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m off to read some more current articles.</p>
<p>Keep up the excellent work.</p>
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		<title>By: thesambarnes</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Hussain. I wonder if it will ever not be a challenge!

Managing multiple projects... hmmm that would be an interesting topic to write about and not one I&#039;d thought of before - watch this space and thanks for the suggestion!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Hussain. I wonder if it will ever not be a challenge!</p>
<p>Managing multiple projects&#8230; hmmm that would be an interesting topic to write about and not one I&#8217;d thought of before &#8211; watch this space and thanks for the suggestion!</p>
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		<title>By: Husain</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Husain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for great the series of articles Sam.  I have been managing Web site development for over 3 years now, and it&#039;s still a challenge to plan, schedule and prioritise simultaneous projects, let alone the myriad tasks involved.  Useful insights in that regard would be absolutely great!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for great the series of articles Sam.  I have been managing Web site development for over 3 years now, and it&#8217;s still a challenge to plan, schedule and prioritise simultaneous projects, let alone the myriad tasks involved.  Useful insights in that regard would be absolutely great!</p>
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		<title>By: thesambarnes</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Simon, really glad you liked the series!

I have tried using surveys like you mention, but more often than not find all of the answers to be lacking in the kind of depth I would need in order to define the project. 

I find only by going through the requirements gathering phase, right up to functional specification and wireframes, actually comprehensively draws out all the required elements of any project.

But saying that, well written surveys do help massively when trying to determine anything from; if the project is worth going for, what the client will be like to work with and the kind of budget and features they want.

Do any of you adopt the Agile methodology in your small businesses?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Simon, really glad you liked the series!</p>
<p>I have tried using surveys like you mention, but more often than not find all of the answers to be lacking in the kind of depth I would need in order to define the project. </p>
<p>I find only by going through the requirements gathering phase, right up to functional specification and wireframes, actually comprehensively draws out all the required elements of any project.</p>
<p>But saying that, well written surveys do help massively when trying to determine anything from; if the project is worth going for, what the client will be like to work with and the kind of budget and features they want.</p>
<p>Do any of you adopt the Agile methodology in your small businesses?</p>
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		<title>By: thesambarnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@David, thanks for your comments. Planner is not the perfect project scheduling tool, but if you only need it to determine a rough project schedule, dependencies, lag and milestones, for free, its not a bad choice! 

You may also want to check out OpenProj 
(http://openproj.org/openproj) too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David, thanks for your comments. Planner is not the perfect project scheduling tool, but if you only need it to determine a rough project schedule, dependencies, lag and milestones, for free, its not a bad choice! </p>
<p>You may also want to check out OpenProj<br />
(<a href="http://openproj.org/openproj" rel="nofollow">http://openproj.org/openproj</a>) too.</p>
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		<title>By: thesambarnes</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>thesambarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Laura, the Agile methodology in a small web agency is defintely a topic I&#039;d love to cover. I&#039;m no Agile expert by any means, but from what I know of it I do find it hard to see how it can be applied in this environment - simply because the size and type of projects you get are so varied and I see Agile as more suited to web applications than websites... but I&#039;d LOVE to hear from anyone who works in a small agency that uses only Agile as its preferred PM methodology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laura, the Agile methodology in a small web agency is defintely a topic I&#8217;d love to cover. I&#8217;m no Agile expert by any means, but from what I know of it I do find it hard to see how it can be applied in this environment &#8211; simply because the size and type of projects you get are so varied and I see Agile as more suited to web applications than websites&#8230; but I&#8217;d LOVE to hear from anyone who works in a small agency that uses only Agile as its preferred PM methodology.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Surtees</title>
		<link>http://www.thesambarnes.com/web-project-planning/pragmatic-web-project-planning-part-3-of-3/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Surtees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 11:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam, great article! I&#039;ve read all of the series with great interest, and would have to agree with virtually every aspect of your approach. Working at a small (ish) agency myself, I&#039;ve frequently encountered the many problems you&#039;ve described.

I&#039;m frequently called upon to create the correct brief for clients, and historically have tried to do this on the fly at meetings, using a simple bulleted list in Omni outliner (a great app for creating heirarchical lists!). It became apparent however that it never really adressed the items that the client omitted to mention (or those which they just assumed were included). 

Whilst I absolutely subscribe to your methods, in recent months, I&#039;ve found the single biggest aid to successful project planning has been through the use of surveys, PRIOR to project briefing meetings. By creating a series of questions relating to functionality, design, marketing and future scope, I can get a full grasp of a client&#039;s expectations in advance of the critical &quot;how much budget do you have&quot; question, and as a bi-product I&#039;ve found that clients have more appreciation of the work involved to meet their expectations. Also it means I waste less time! 

P.S the hardest question seems to be &quot;Name 3 websites you like, and 3 you dislike, and state a brief reason why, for each&quot;. Just goes to show how difficult it can be for clients to be clear...

Keep the articles coming!  Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, great article! I&#8217;ve read all of the series with great interest, and would have to agree with virtually every aspect of your approach. Working at a small (ish) agency myself, I&#8217;ve frequently encountered the many problems you&#8217;ve described.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m frequently called upon to create the correct brief for clients, and historically have tried to do this on the fly at meetings, using a simple bulleted list in Omni outliner (a great app for creating heirarchical lists!). It became apparent however that it never really adressed the items that the client omitted to mention (or those which they just assumed were included). </p>
<p>Whilst I absolutely subscribe to your methods, in recent months, I&#8217;ve found the single biggest aid to successful project planning has been through the use of surveys, PRIOR to project briefing meetings. By creating a series of questions relating to functionality, design, marketing and future scope, I can get a full grasp of a client&#8217;s expectations in advance of the critical &#8220;how much budget do you have&#8221; question, and as a bi-product I&#8217;ve found that clients have more appreciation of the work involved to meet their expectations. Also it means I waste less time! </p>
<p>P.S the hardest question seems to be &#8220;Name 3 websites you like, and 3 you dislike, and state a brief reason why, for each&#8221;. Just goes to show how difficult it can be for clients to be clear&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep the articles coming!  Thanks</p>
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